so I cant tell my wing man check his six on the coms anymore?

[Mastiff]

check six? really what the heck?

you need to update your rules.

COMMUNICATIONS:
Exercise courtesy when communicating with other pilots, while using Team Speak or the in game chat.

SERVER RULES:
Adhere to them! They are there so that all can have a fun time.
Appreciate the hard work that the Warbirds of Prey Map Builders have put into our maps by following the Mission Briefs accordingly.

[RAF238thGunRunner]

1. The reasons for this warning in the chat bar on Spits mods and Spits Classics only is because of the amount of cheating and gaming that is going on.  In no particular order:

a.  We are a Full Real Server.  This statement is unreal.
b.  If there are 50+ players in the game, then every one breaks away.  Unrealistic.
c.  Nobody knows to whom it is directed.  Quite often it is directed to 2 players who are on the same side who are flying behind each other, because the sender is not close enough to ID the planes.
d.  Players on both sides see it when it is sent to ALL. Unrealistic.
e.  By the time it has been read by everyone it is too late and has already been ignored because there is too much of it going on.
f.  People cheat using it.  There have been many cases of 2 planes chasing an enemy.  The second player puts check 666 in the chat bar and the first breaks off leaving the second player to shoot down the enemy plane.
g.  There are many cases of pilots sitting on one side of game on the spawn point and putting it in the chat bar to cause disruption.
h.  Several tracks recently revealed a guy taking off and putting it in the chat bar.  When challenged he could not give a good reason.

2.  If someone wishes to warn people then he should go onto TeamSpeak 2 or TeamSpeak 3 and meet up with them. That is the reason it is provided.

Thank you

[rattler]

h.  um, lol? 

[Evil Eye]

2.  If someone wishes to warn people then he should go onto TeamSpeak 2 or TeamSpeak 3 and meet up with them. That is the reason it is provided.

Yep! the BEST way to alert your wing man to check his six is to
USE TS. Come on pll that's what it's there for. Not to mention
the fact that it enhances the full real setting, in MHOP.

[rattler]

and it's free to use. imagine that.

[CaptStubing]

Guess its okay if you call check six to a team mate by name in the chat bar right?

[RAF238thGunRunner]

Guess its okay if you call check six to a team mate by name in the chat bar right?

Yes of course.  But when it is transmitted over chat it must NOT be sent to ALL or MY ARMY, but a selection on the menu that has the team mate listed, otherwise it is disruptive.

I would have thought that team mates would have been on comms (TS2 or TS3) anyway.

[Elwood]

Yes of course.  But when it is transmitted over chat it must NOT be sent to ALL or MY ARMY, but a selection on the menu that has the team mate listed, otherwise it is disruptive.

Oy Vey!!
Now I know I have not flown much as all the mods just have my gead spinning a bit.
But this topic has me awestruck.
When I flew I saw "Check 666" or some combination of it all time.
Did I break? Did I lose me edge? Was my advantage forever gone?
No
Why, because I had situational awareness. (AND TS)
If we want to talk realism...what about during operation Skye in WWII when we sent false messages to decieve the enemy?
I am sure I could find other situations where this technique was used.
I don't understand the reasoning behind someone sending "Check 6" over the chat bar being disruptive.
It may make me look around if I am not doing something else, but not enough to ruin the gaming experience.
If that is enough to win the map, then so be it.
It may work once..maybe twice...but I would think that the individual who fell for it would learn eventually.
If someone uses it what happens?
Do they get a ban?
A reprimand?
A cigarette and blindfold?
I just think that some common sense and lattitude should be used especially in this situation.
Put a poll up and see what everyone thinks.

Elwood - Checking his 6

[RAF238thGunRunner]

Not everyone agrees with admins Elwood.  That is their prerogative  .  However as things stand with many Euro players who spend so much time being disruptive and ruining the game for many in the Euro time zone, the situation stays as it is. I am sorry if you do not like it.   

[_RAAF_Gepp]

I do feel sorry for the people  that come to fly and don't have comms their chances of survival will go from 50% to 0%  .I can understand why they have put the rule in place,not that i agree with it but that's just my opinion.I might of read this wrong but "a.  We are a Full Real Server.  This statement is unreal." are you saying  that the server is not a full real server or check six statement is unreal

[RAF238thGunRunner]

I do feel sorry for the people  that come to fly and don't have comms their chances of survival will go from 50% to 0%  .I can understand why they have put the rule in place,not that i agree with it but that's just my opinion.I might of read this wrong but "a.  We are a Full Real Server.  This statement is unreal." are you saying  that the server is not a full real server or check six statement is unreal

I am saying that to put check 6 in the chat bar is unreal on a Full Real Server.

[Centermass]

I saved a P-47 from a jet bounce and was kicked because of it. This is ridiculous.

The TS layout is horrible. when there are more than 10 people everyone is stepping on each other all the time so no one has a clue what's going on. So people use completely different TS or other channels. Then they need to use the chat to communicate to others in game.

If you want a lot of people to use TS then there should be flight channels with  around 4 people per flight. Then broadcast to all other flight channels or to certain ones they are working with.

Thanks for the servers, TS and game, but the TS servers are not practical in their current setup and kicking people who are trying to help is pretty lame.

[CaptStubing]

I am saying that to put check 6 in the chat bar is unreal on a Full Real Server.

Really?  Isn't it like broadcasting check six on comms or an open channel?  The reasons you give seem a bit of the exception and not the rule.  Perhaps you see things differently because you're the one seeing all the abuse but from my experience it's been minmal at best.  Sure sure there are asshats who game the game but last time I checked you're Pilot in Command and you can make the call if you want to heed the warning.  I think I would rather have the warning that NONE at all which seems to be all too present these days don't ya think?  In terms of realism I don't think it spoils anything. I liken it to calls on radios.

  

[Finvar]

I am saying that to put check 6 in the chat bar is unreal on a Full Real Server.

If that's the case then to put any message at all in the chat bar is unreal.

If you want realism you should ban all chat, or disable the chat bar entirely if it's at all possible to do that.

Seems to me this is just another rule for the sake of having another rule.

And imo to say it's a "Full Real Server" is not really correct. IL2 is far from real/realistic. The correct term should be 'Full Switch Server'.

I agree with Elwood - "Put a poll up and see what everyone thinks."

Just my opinion.
~S~
Finvar

[CptLoonee]

I saved a P-47 from a jet bounce and was kicked because of it. This is ridiculous.

The TS layout is horrible. when there are more than 10 people everyone is stepping on each other all the time so no one has a clue what's going on. So people use completely different TS or other channels. Then they need to use the chat to communicate to others in game.

If you want a lot of people to use TS then there should be flight channels with  around 4 people per flight. Then broadcast to all other flight channels or to certain ones they are working with.

Thanks for the servers, TS and game, but the TS servers are not practical in their current setup and kicking people who are trying to help is pretty lame.

You are right.

It would seem to me that it is pretty easy to tell the difference between those being intentionally disruptive and those attempting to help people.